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Paul Carrick's avatar

Do you know what is so sad about this preceding, tedious exchange between Brook and Hales?

It is precisely the sort of nit-picking pedantry and professional logic-chopping that turns even bright undergraduates away from Philosophy.

Moreover, as a heretofore esteemed university discipline, Philosophy is itself in serious full-time hiring and programatic decline across our fair land. And Hales’ correctly concedes that the APA cannot begin to fix this trend, given its obsessive DEI infatuations.

Most important, this above exchange completely ignores Hales’ troubling observation that currently in the USA, young white men are declining to even attempt college. This, compared to women and minorities who are increasingly stepping up to the challenge and, yes, graduating in ever impressive numbers.

Just as the charge of “structural racism” is typically unfalsifiable, so too is the glib demonization of “patriarchy.” So what has gone wrong with young white men, their lack of ambition, their unwillingness to even apply?

Dare I suggest, as Hale has elsewhere hinted, that the rising power of the American matriarchy in our culture may be largely to blame? Young white men in particular do not find college campuses welcoming places anymore. They are increasingly seen, at both elite and mainstream schools, as predatory, toxic, irrelevant. They are covertly or overtly condemned by the tragic sins of their patriarchal fathers, grandfathers, uncles (you know the list: colonialism, slavery, sexism, etc.)

So finally and increasingly, these young white men think: who needs this shit? And they walk away in favor of other more attractive, more respectful, friendlier adventures.

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Otto the Renunciant's avatar

As someone who basically fits that demographic, I figure it may be worth sharing my perspective as a drop-out myself. To some extent, I can relate to what you're saying, but only in a very vague sense. You are correct in that I became disillusioned with college, but for a different reason. You're also correct in that I took issue with the social aspects, but again for a different reason.

For me, the issue was that college seemed completely unserious and focused more on cultivating a social experience than an academic one. Now, I'm actually a very social person, and I greatly value my friendships, so this shouldn't be interpreted as some sort of anti-social tendency of mine. I made many friends and had a great social life while I was at school. The issue was that I felt the social environment was very coddling. I wanted an experience where I would go to school and also have a life outside of school, in which I socialize, work, etc. I wasn't against having some crossover, i.e. making friends in class that I then saw outside of class, but I didn't like having *everything* be based around the school. Living on campus, clubs and events focused around the campus, everyone you know is from the same school, etc. It felt like a summer camp, not a serious academic environment. You can see that very acutely if you compare it to how university is viewed in other countries: students often live off-campus from the start, choose a major right away, devote themselves to it, and don't base their lives entirely around their school (I know there are probably some schools in the US that take this approach, but by my luck, I didn't happen to find them). There are advantages to requiring general studies before choosing a major, but there are also advantages to allowing students to focus entirely on their major if they know what they want from the beginning. Different strokes.

Overall, I felt these factors contributed to a very diluted academic environment. I wanted something more akin to a conservatory experience. In a conservatory, students are deeply dedicated to their craft despite the low odds of success. They're focused on achieving mastery, not just good grades, and they practice hours and hours each day to achieve that. I wanted that grit, determination, and focus but in an academic environment. That sort of passion is motivating and inspiring. Instead, what I got was an experience that was almost entirely focused on career outcomes and social life. Very few people actually valued their academics outside of the potential for getting a job, and that was very demotivating. I wanted education, not career preparation and networking — or at least an environment where the clear focus wasn't career preparation and networking from the get-go.

So, I relate to and agree with what you're saying here in the sense that I think the issue is optics and how college presents itself. I do realize that my specific desire for an extremely intense academic environment where students completely immerse themselves in rigorous academics is also likely not in line with what most men want. I don't think most people are foregoing college because it's not austere enough. But I think there are some elements that crossover — Jonathan Haidt wrote that book The Coddling of the American Mind, and that sense of coddling was extremely off-putting, and even though I was put off for different reasons, the ultimate issue came down to just not liking the vibe.

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